“game for emo lesbians lol”

We’re getting some hilarious comments from the 20.000+ people who have been looking at our teaser for The Path on gametrailers. com ( here and here ). There’s nice and positive comments. Even sanely critical ones. And people do seem to understand what we’re going for. But the funniest comments are, as always, the negative ones.

“Will you take the path of pins…OR NEEDLES! Lol, goths would love cutting themselves up for this game.”

“I wish the grass on the path was emo- so that it would cut itself. Lol, I’m not sure what to think. :p”

“ooo finally a game for emo and goth chicks!”

“I’m confused. What’s with the lesbians holding hands in the woods?”

“Can you say weird as something that my grandmother thought off.”

“i bet ill find this game in the value bin @ walmart next month(itll appeal to the wanna-be goth kids that think green day is sooo rad)”

“i will get it if the two girls walking down the forest get it on at some point in the game!”

I don’t know… Should our children really be looking at this? They obiously can’t handle it. ;D

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From the “8” archives…

Taking you back to 2003. Dug up this video on the file server the other day of an effect we wanted to develop for our fairy tale adventure game “8.” The wicked fairy is masquerading as an obsidian thorn plant; growing everywhere destroying the palace. When the little girl sees the beautiful flowers she’s curious and gets closer. As she walks away the flowers turn into more thorn branches and reach out for her (never quite catching her though.)

I always loved the idea, and it was a fun effect to play around with in the prototype <[;-) I hope we can make it for real someday.

ABIOGENESIS on Sunday/Monday!

ABIOGENESIS march18-19 2007On Monday 19 March it will have been 8 years since Michael and I launched our first mutual website (entropy8zuper.org, which was the merger of entropy8.com and zuper.com). To celebrate, we are inviting all deer to join us in The Endless Forest for another edition of ABIOGENESIS – Twin Gods Festival!

San Francisco: Sunday, 18 March, 5 PM
New York: Sunday, 18 March, 8 PM
London: Sunday 18 March, midnight
Brussels: Monday, 19 March, 1 AM
Moscow: Monday, 19 March, 3 AM
Tokyo: Monday, 19 March, 9 AM
Sydney: Monday, 19 March, 11 AM
Other time zones

Discuss… 😉

The Endless Forest part of the Gawker Artists network


Not too long ago we got the bright idea to look into the Gawker Artists network. Basically, it is a link list of artists curated by Gumshoe. They oversee the distribution of artist ad banners through blogs like Gizmodo, Treehugger, Kotaku, Lifehacker etc., not to mention private bloggers who’ve signed up to get the ads on their pages. If you’ve ever been surfing through some of these bigger tech or game blogs you may have seen these ads. Its like a sudden non-sequitor in the middle of an article… at least they always caused me to do a double-take. I think it’s a pretty nifty idea to give free ad space to artists, it decorates the page and give people something to think about instead of asking them to become another link in the consumerist chain. So, it was pretty straightforward to sign up for and we’ve been getting a decent number of hits from it. Plus it is pretty cool to see banner ads for The Endless Forest “in the wild.”
Click here to see all the banners…


Losing Control versus Freedom

Traveling and playing games are oddly similar…

It is often assumed that interactive media are so powerful because they offer the user control over the experience, a type and/or level of control that they cannot get in real life. But I’ve been thinking that this may not be correct. Maybe it’s the opposite. Maybe computer games are so appealing because they force us to give up control, because they put us in a situation over which we cannot exercise the control we’re used to in real life. As such, it is the lack of control that gives us a feeling of freedom, not an abundance of choices and possibilities.

Games force us to live in an artificial situation and to control it in appropriate ways. This is how we can murder and slaughter in a game without feeling guilty. It’s a bit like being in the army, I guess. Once you sign up, you’re basically not responsible for what you do anymore. You’re “just following orders”. And this giving up of control over your own life, over your own decisions, gives you access to a range of actions that you otherwise could not perform. And to a form of joy that is otherwise out of reach.

Surrendering to a situation that is beyond your control is a form of escapism. Escapism insulates you from reality and has, as such, limited artistically expressive potential. Perhaps art happens when there is a moment of control that transcends the illusion: when suddenly the experience connects to something in our own life, teaches you something about yourself.

If games are about yielding rather than exercising control, having a wide range of actions (or “verbs”) available to the player is not as important as presenting a good selection of actions that are relevant to the situation. This selection is a powerful narrative tool. If, for instance, rather than adding ten more weapons for your space marine to control, you give him the ability to pick a flower, you suddenly have enriched your narrative palette tremendously, while in fact reducing the amount of development work.

The Effect of Stories

Listening to Warren Spector’s plea for more story in games at the Game Developers Conference, I couldn’t help but think of The Endless Forest, and by extension of our plans for The Path. Somehow I feel that we have solved, or on the verge of solving, the issues that Mr. Spector, and the work of Michael Mateas and Andrew Stern quoted in his presentation, deal with. These thoughts are a bit awkward because what we do is nowhere near the technical and theoretical sophistication of what these gentlemen are dealing wih. And also because I can imagine that it would be hard for them to think of The Endless Forest as a narrative game.

We have a very different approach. I’m all for diversity, so I wouldn’t want to claim that our approach offers the ultimate solution for implementing narrative in games. But perhaps what we do is something like the third or fourth way that Warren Spector seemed to be looking for. It that sense, it would be typical if our approach comes from an unexpected place.

In several sessions in the conference, I felt that the way most game developers think about their work is very different from how we think. They think like engineers, like problem solvers. They seem to define everything as a problem that needs a solution. While I think we, at Tale of Tales, look at this medium as an enormous opportunity.

The attempts at solving the problem of story telling in games thusfar seem to have been just that. To think of storytelling as a problem and then to try to solve it. Whereas I think our approach is a more playful one where we kneed and mould the potential of the medium and almost accidentally end up telling stories. Probably because our hands and minds are inspired by stories. And some of this inspiration slides into the end result.

This almost sounds like mysticism but I don’t it is that romantic at all. What we are going for is effect. We do not look at storytelling (or gameplay for that matter) as something from another medium that needs to be translated to a new medium. Instead we observe the effect that the stories from the past have on us and we try the recreate that effect. In our case this is a highly subjective method but, if desired, this method could be objectified (though I have serious doubts as to whether it is a good idea to try and make art through objective methods).

I will admit that we have a broad definition of what constitutes a story. Probably because we are only really interested in the emotional effect. We get a similar “narrative effect” from a painting as we do from a theater play or a musical composition. Rather than imitate the structure of music in interactive media in the hope to achieve the same effect, we look at the tools and techniques that interactive media offer us -the things that they are good at- and combine them in a way that generates the desired effect.

And this is how The Endless Forest ends up being a story. It generates a similar effect in the player as hearing a story or seeing a movie. The feeling of having lived through something combined with having learned something meaningful, a lesson that applies to one’s own life. One could argue that this is not sufficient to constitute a story. But, even though I don’t think of myself as a modernist, I can’t help but think how similar this sounds to the claim that jazz or pop music is not real music. I don’t know. If something achieves the same result as something else, I guess it doesn’t mean that it is equal. But at least it’s a good substitute. Does it mater if the pill is a placebo as long as it cures the disease? Perhaps the placebo even tastes better.