Comments on: Welcome the the 21st century, Tale of Tales http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/ Auriea Harvey & Michaël Samyn telling tales of Tale of Tales Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:11:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: andrewjclark http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38184 andrewjclark Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:28:25 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38184 FaceIt looks amazing in concept and I can't wait to buy it / play it. FaceIt looks amazing in concept and I can’t wait to buy it / play it.

]]> By: Jorge http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38096 Jorge Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:38:39 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38096 Thank you 0rel, I'll give the game a try ^_^ Thank you 0rel, I’ll give the game a try ^_^

]]> By: 0rel http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38086 0rel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:04:48 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38086 i really didn't mean to offend you. but thank you for the long reply, Auriea. i'm just asking myself at the moment what's the "right way" to make indie games... and, actually, i like the mentioned games above too... i have just an allergy about this huge mobile trend. not only because the direct environmental problems, but also because of the indirect pollution of "normal" daily life, like you described... the dangerous influence on the way we think, and act... however, that's a personal thing... i totally share your view on the positive side about digital media too... it's pretty idealistic though. facts tell that there's more paper wasted than before computers were around. devices are made to have only a short lifespan. more as "fashion toys" than solid tools. cds become obsolete. dvds do. - digital data wouldn't, but there's so much data garbage flowing around, that the usage of most of bandwidth, energy and memory is simply wasted too. and computer games are part of this, which is worrying me more and more... that's also why i'm so sceptical about gaming consoles today, and mobile devices in general. nobody really needs them (-> luxury). still, the hype is huge. imho, one normal personal computer/laptop would be absolutely enough for doing everything. communication, (soft) work, entertainment, games, art, reading, education and so on. computers are universal machines after all, and there's no better, no worse computer. they only differ a little bit at the end... the rest is evil business :(. puhhh, i guess, i have just a bad day, so please don't give this not too much weight... i really admire what you do! although i'm just small guy.., i still dare to say, that for me it comes very close to what i think is "the good way" of making indie games :). not only because of the actual games you've already made, but also because of your open-minded and critical view on things! - the 'Tale of Tales' project gives me hope, more as a whole, than simply as a "game factory"... (btw, there's also a free PC version of 'Zen Bound', called <a href="http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=20938" rel="nofollow">'Zen Bondage'</a>) i really didn’t mean to offend you.
but thank you for the long reply, Auriea.
i’m just asking myself at the moment what’s the “right way” to make indie games…
and, actually, i like the mentioned games above too…
i have just an allergy about this huge mobile trend. not only because the direct environmental problems, but also because of the indirect pollution of “normal” daily life, like you described… the dangerous influence on the way we think, and act…
however, that’s a personal thing…

i totally share your view on the positive side about digital media too… it’s pretty idealistic though. facts tell that there’s more paper wasted than before computers were around. devices are made to have only a short lifespan. more as “fashion toys” than solid tools. cds become obsolete. dvds do. – digital data wouldn’t, but there’s so much data garbage flowing around, that the usage of most of bandwidth, energy and memory is simply wasted too. and computer games are part of this, which is worrying me more and more…

that’s also why i’m so sceptical about gaming consoles today, and mobile devices in general. nobody really needs them (-> luxury). still, the hype is huge. imho, one normal personal computer/laptop would be absolutely enough for doing everything. communication, (soft) work, entertainment, games, art, reading, education and so on. computers are universal machines after all, and there’s no better, no worse computer. they only differ a little bit at the end… the rest is evil business :(.

puhhh, i guess, i have just a bad day, so please don’t give this not too much weight…
i really admire what you do!
although i’m just small guy.., i still dare to say, that for me it comes very close to what i think is “the good way” of making indie games :). not only because of the actual games you’ve already made, but also because of your open-minded and critical view on things! – the ‘Tale of Tales’ project gives me hope, more as a whole, than simply as a “game factory”…

(btw, there’s also a free PC version of ‘Zen Bound’, called
‘Zen Bondage’)

]]> By: Jorge http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38085 Jorge Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:49:34 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38085 Ops. I meant Jenova Chen, I misspelled it. Ops. I meant Jenova Chen, I misspelled it.

]]> By: Jorge http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38084 Jorge Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:47:10 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38084 It is interesting. For what you have said it reminds me of Flower, by Jenova Chan. I also find interesting the fact that tying up and "capturing" things it's usually conceptualized as a bad thing, but it seems in this game "inmobilizing" objects is good for them, as long as it brings color to them. Haha, maybe I'm just overdoing it on my thoughts, but I like thinking this way :P. It is interesting. For what you have said it reminds me of Flower, by Jenova Chan.

I also find interesting the fact that tying up and “capturing” things it’s usually conceptualized as a bad thing, but it seems in this game “inmobilizing” objects is good for them, as long as it brings color to them. Haha, maybe I’m just overdoing it on my thoughts, but I like thinking this way :P.

]]> By: Auriea http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38083 Auriea Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:24:54 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38083 i hadn't thought of the bondage thing but you are the second one to mention it :) it is about wrapping a rope around differently shaped wooden objects which are painted as you wrap them. you are told how much of the object you have painted and given rewards for wrapping the object completely. but that aspect is kept very low-key and never makes you feel like you HAVE to get 100% you can basically choose how ambitious you want to be with it. last night, i woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep. i played this game then for about an hour and found it just mentally stimulating enough to not fall asleep on it, but relaxing enough to allow me to fall asleep once i was done playing. plus++ its pretty. with nice music. i like it. :) i hadn’t thought of the bondage thing but you are the second one to mention it :)

it is about wrapping a rope around differently shaped wooden objects which are painted as you wrap them. you are told how much of the object you have painted and given rewards for wrapping the object completely. but that aspect is kept very low-key and never makes you feel like you HAVE to get 100%
you can basically choose how ambitious you want to be with it.

last night, i woke up in the middle of the night and couldn’t sleep. i played this game then for about an hour and found it just mentally stimulating enough to not fall asleep on it, but relaxing enough to allow me to fall asleep once i was done playing.

plus++ its pretty. with nice music.
i like it. :)

]]> By: Jorge http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38082 Jorge Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:15:53 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38082 Haha, thank you. The point of ZenBound is tying up things? It reminded me of bondage practices, although the game seems to keep itself more on a conceptual level. I'd like to try it. Haha, thank you.

The point of ZenBound is tying up things? It reminded me of bondage practices, although the game seems to keep itself more on a conceptual level. I’d like to try it.

]]> By: Auriea http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38081 Auriea Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:48:03 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38081 But you weren't off topic at all. Your comment is right on target with the original blog post (^_^)b But you weren’t off topic at all. Your comment is right on target with the original blog post (^_^)b

]]> By: Jorge http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38080 Jorge Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:43:15 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38080 Oh, so I was out of topic, sorry, I've imagined that >_<. That images indeed are shameful. What a waste. Oh, so I was out of topic, sorry, I’ve imagined that >_<. That images indeed are shameful. What a waste.

]]> By: Auriea http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38078 Auriea Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:30:11 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38078 Jorge, i think 0rel is referring to <a href="http://www.google.com/search?&q=cell%20phone%20waste" rel="nofollow">things</a> like <a href="http://images.google.com/images?&q=cell+phone+waste" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Jorge, i think 0rel is referring to things like this.

]]> By: Jorge http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38077 Jorge Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:10:18 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38077 I don't really know how the production of this kind of devices is bad for environment (this is what I understood of your discussion, but I could have not interpreted well what you said) but the truth is that if we are begining to have so much cuantity and cuality of non-comercial games seeking for new ways of interactivity it is because of the existence of all the online publishing platforms such as App Store, Steam or XBLA and the devices that make use of them. I don't doubt this platforms have brought some bad things (such as the chance for developers of being able to sell unfinished products, which if you want to enjoy completely you have to pay for them twice) but if they weren't for them, maybe games as The Path might not have had the big impact that in fact, it have had. I don’t really know how the production of this kind of devices is bad for environment (this is what I understood of your discussion, but I could have not interpreted well what you said) but the truth is that if we are begining to have so much cuantity and cuality of non-comercial games seeking for new ways of interactivity it is because of the existence of all the online publishing platforms such as App Store, Steam or XBLA and the devices that make use of them.

I don’t doubt this platforms have brought some bad things (such as the chance for developers of being able to sell unfinished products, which if you want to enjoy completely you have to pay for them twice) but if they weren’t for them, maybe games as The Path might not have had the big impact that in fact, it have had.

]]> By: Auriea http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38076 Auriea Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:45:55 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38076 Philipp. thx for the link, we just watched it. Philipp. thx for the link, we just watched it.

]]> By: Michaël Samyn http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38075 Michaël Samyn Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:41:11 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38075 Luxury is in the eye of the beholder. Luxury is in the eye of the beholder.

]]> By: Auriea http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38074 Auriea Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:13:26 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38074 0rel - i don't buy these things lightly. i know what you mean. but i have always seen digital media as a solution to the problem of there being too much stuff in the world. i started making art/design for computers because i didn't want to kill so many trees to draw on paper, pump the water system full of photo chemicals, or clog the dumps with my failed attempts at sculpture! no matter what though, i value highly the creative community. not just those developing on the apple branded devices, of course, but all forms of. I made this post as a way to support and point out the different types of creation that is going on because what people make is important, not what they consume. consumption without creation that is a problem. when everything is taken for granted and disposable, yes, that is detrimental to the environment and to culture. our reluctance to embrace mobile devices has more to do with how anti-social people seem to become: always checking a phone (the person on the line more important than the person in the room with them), locked into a bubble of their own music, staring at the tiny screen, etc. I think those are the things that bother me most and why I previously had only one cheap-ass cell phone bought in 2006, which i turn on once a year when travelling. and while i did have a small mp3 player before (which my step-daughter now inherits) i see this new igadget as a solution for my upcoming travels. to not have to carry books, music on CDs, papers, buy an extra harddrive, etc, etc,... are they destroying the planet? perhaps. but looked at another way they are also saving it. and when making a list of whats destroying the planet i know of a few things i'd rate quite a bit higher than this. thank you for your comment though. it really made me think. maybe i will do another post on the pros and cons of toxic luxury. 0rel – i don’t buy these things lightly. i know what you mean. but i have always seen digital media as a solution to the problem of there being too much stuff in the world. i started making art/design for computers because i didn’t want to kill so many trees to draw on paper, pump the water system full of photo chemicals, or clog the dumps with my failed attempts at sculpture!

no matter what though, i value highly the creative community. not just those developing on the apple branded devices, of course, but all forms of. I made this post as a way to support and point out the different types of creation that is going on because what people make is important, not what they consume. consumption without creation that is a problem. when everything is taken for granted and disposable, yes, that is detrimental to the environment and to culture.

our reluctance to embrace mobile devices has more to do with how anti-social people seem to become: always checking a phone (the person on the line more important than the person in the room with them), locked into a bubble of their own music, staring at the tiny screen, etc. I think those are the things that bother me most and why I previously had only one cheap-ass cell phone bought in 2006, which i turn on once a year when travelling.

and while i did have a small mp3 player before (which my step-daughter now inherits) i see this new igadget as a solution for my upcoming travels. to not have to carry books, music on CDs, papers, buy an extra harddrive, etc, etc,…

are they destroying the planet? perhaps. but looked at another way they are also saving it. and when making a list of whats destroying the planet i know of a few things i’d rate quite a bit higher than this.

thank you for your comment though. it really made me think. maybe i will do another post on the pros and cons of toxic luxury.

]]> By: 0rel http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38073 0rel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:58:39 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38073 these mobile iGadgets are destroying our planet! for no reason... toxic luxery. ...i always thought you focus solely on the PC with good reason. these mobile iGadgets are destroying our planet! for no reason…

toxic luxery.

…i always thought you focus solely on the PC with good reason.

]]> By: Philipp http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38070 Philipp Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:22:54 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38070 Since I have no idea where else to put this... Have you seen this <a href="http://plus7.arte.tv/de/detailPage/1697660,CmC=2723270.html?" rel="nofollow">ARTE program with Chris Crawford and Jason Roher</a>? Very interesting, but only viewable to Europeans and only up to the 9th of July. Sorry, absolutely off topic... :( Since I have no idea where else to put this… Have you seen this ARTE program with Chris Crawford and Jason Roher? Very interesting, but only viewable to Europeans and only up to the 9th of July.

Sorry, absolutely off topic… :(

]]> By: Ian Bogost http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38056 Ian Bogost Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:29:57 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38056 <i> while I have not spent enough time with it to see what “happens”… I am willing to bet, based on its theme, that *nothing* happens and that is just exactly the point.</i> :-) while I have not spent enough time with it to see what “happens”… I am willing to bet, based on its theme, that *nothing* happens and that is just exactly the point.

:-)

]]> By: Philipp http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/2009/07/05/welcome-the-the-21st-century-tale-of-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-38050 Philipp Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:18:00 +0000 http://tale-of-tales.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-38050 I've been following Tale of Tales now since having gotten onto The Path. You've provided hope that I will not have to be ashamed of my history of gaming, that there is a culturally adequate future for gaming in its broadest sense to look forward to. And now you point me to ZenBound which brings some almost forgotten part philosophical part sexually (sic) feelings to surface stemming from not so long past <a href="http://nullwert.deviantart.com/art/Pray-78601509" title="dA photo of mine" rel="nofollow">first steps</a> into the art of <a href="http://nullwert.deviantart.com/favourites/#Ropeworks" title="link to my Shibari photo collection at dA" rel="nofollow">Shibari</a>... Damn, not dripping with any ready cash either here I am finally wanting one of those damn i-thingies after all. Thanks for that. ;) I’ve been following Tale of Tales now since having gotten onto The Path. You’ve provided hope that I will not have to be ashamed of my history of gaming, that there is a culturally adequate future for gaming in its broadest sense to look forward to.

And now you point me to ZenBound which brings some almost forgotten part philosophical part sexually (sic) feelings to surface stemming from not so long past first steps into the art of Shibari…

Damn, not dripping with any ready cash either here I am finally wanting one of those damn i-thingies after all. Thanks for that. ;)

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